100 Things I've learned about church

I don't have much of a faith anymore. At least not like I used to. I thought I was so great with all my theology and my good works. I worshiped my church and thought it could be great one day if only we got things right. If only we worked it all out, said the right things, acted the right way and looked just right, we would convince anyone to become just like us. We were Christians. We sang great songs, had great truths, married great people and did great things. We thought alike, talked alike and acted just as we should. We thought we were so great because we only had ourselves to impress.

I know that some of what follows will greatly offend some people, it would have offended me a little while ago. Some items result from great leaps of logic. That's ok. I'm not intending to write a thesis here. It's more of a snapshot of what I think about church now. Some of these I'll defend, but I'm sure many will vanish from my thought at some point. Basically, if it helps you, great... if not, oh well, at least you can see church from another perspective.

There's more to come. I'm treating this more or less like a table of contents for what I'll be writing about on this blog.

Corporate driven church

  • Your church is not a company.
  • Running a church like a corporation leads to all sorts of problems that church leaders are ill-equipped to handle.
  • The corporate driven church often leads to an entitlement mentality amongst the 'customers' who are paying for services. That leads to enormous abuse as churches scramble to get their employees and volunteers to meet the needs of their ever picky 'customers'.
  • Everything the Church ignores grows.

Diversity

  • Many churches, often in an effort to meet the demands of their top donors stifle diversity.
  • Diversity (of culture, style, thought, leadership, viewpoints) can only be good for a church.
  • Lack of diversity kills communities.
  • The more churches stifle diversity, the more they will find their members splitting on the most obscure issues.
  • If you aren't regularly saying "I've never thought of it that way", then you probably don't have enough diversity in your life.

The poor

  • Many churches who have the megachurch philosophy say "We don't invite the poor because we don't know how to handle the poor".
  • The truth is, the poor know how to handle the poor. If churches began respecting the poor, they would be amazed by what they have to offer.

Women in leadership

  • Contrary to what most christians are taught, the Bible has surprisingly little to say against women in leadership.
  • The typical views against women in leadership don't stand up well against the "where is it written" argument.
  • Churches often will model their leadership based on Jesus and the disciples, saying that all the disciples are men, therefore the church leadership should be similarly composed. If that's so, does that go for race as well? Or occupation?

Gays and Judgment

  • Most christians have no idea how much gays have suffered in the hands of so-called 'christians'.
  • Many christians believe that all sin is equal, yet they judge gays for their sins much more harshly.
  • Every time I've thought someone should be excluded from the church for some reason, I find out that I should be excluded for reasons which are just as equal.
  • Most christians are unaware of the amount of promiscuity that goes on within their church.
  • Most churches would rather appear without blemish than to provide a safe forum for their members to work through issues of sexuality. Whatever the church ignores, grows.

Absolute Truth

  • There is absolute truth, there just isn't absolute interpretation.
  • Many christians try to find absolute truth in anything and everything. This mentality leads to bickering, divisiveness and alienation.
  • It's never good to claim that you have the total truth.
  • There are plenty of things we just won't know the absolute truth on.
  • It's ok to not know the absolute truth.
  • The phrase "where do you draw the line?" is ripe with fallacy. Alarms should go off every time it's spoken.
  • Our job is rarely, if ever, to draw lines.
  • Many chrisitan leaders are uncomfortable with the idea of postmodernism. This is usually because they've spent their lives building a highly rational defense of their faith and postmodernism undermines that. Lesson: don't spend your life building a highly rational defense of your faith. Instead, live it out
  • There's something worth learning from every religion and every philosophy. Ask what's right before asking what's wrong.

Argumentation

  • Church communities often place enormous value in argumentation; alienating people who aren't easily understood.
  • Those people who lack a "clear voice" may still have profound truths to share. Ask.
  • It's good to ask this question: "Can you possibly imagine an exception to your argument?"
  • Every argument can be turned back into a conversation by believing "It's okay if I'm completely wrong about this."
  • Everything I say is wrong.
  • Everything you say is wrong.
  • We should have pity on each other for our shared inability to communicate truth.
  • Pity does not mean contempt.
  • There are exceptions to everything here.
  • All of us are always in progress always, all the time.

Style and Substance

  • Making a church look cool does not make it 'postmodern'.
  • When it comes to church; style does not equal substance.
  • There are plenty of 'uncool' churches that are far more "postmodern"/"emergent" than the "cool" churches.
  • "New Look, Same Great Taste!" doesn't work if it tastes nasty.
  • Churches spend countless resources in pursuit of the perfect formula for getting people saved. There is no formula. There never has been, there never will be.
  • You can't buy the formula, you can't sell the formula, you can't go to a 'cool' church and copy the formula. No amount of research will reveal the formula. So just step away from the Drucker.
  • Churches could move a thousand mountains with the effort they exert trying to perfect their formula.
  • Read the bible, everyone. Relentlessly discuss what it says with as many different kinds of people as possible. (is that a formula?)
  • Christian language has become so corrupt, so many of the words have taken on such terrible meanings, that the Bible is nearly unreadable for some people. There's something worth working on.
  • For example, when the bible uses the word 'grace' but we have never even seen anything close to grace being demonstrated in our churches, then how are we to understand what the bible is saying?

Definitions

  • The word "christian" means all kinds of things to all kinds of people. Very often it means bad things.
  • Same with 'Jesus', God, Savior, etc.
  • Republican does not equal Christian.
  • Many people will have nothing to do with church simply because they think that they have to change their political viewpoints to be a part of it.
  • In most Christian debates there's a big disconnect between what we are passionate about and what Jesus was passionate about.
  • It's good to always ask the question "What does the Bible say more about?". Does it say more about the small inconsequential issue we are fighting about, or does it say more about love and unity?

"Evangelism"

  • Find out what's right about someone else's beliefs before attacking what's wrong.
  • The focus of christianity shouldn't be to 'convert' people when it's at the expense of loving them.
  • Many christians have been relentlessly taught to 'convert' 'non-christians'. They do so with the best intentions but usually end up alienating their 'unsaved' friends and marginalizing the church.
  • Everyone has heard the salvation message, several times, with fewer exceptions than most christians have been lead to believe.
  • The four spiritual laws are never presented in scripture explicitly. They are simply one way of condensing the gospel message in a way meant to make sense to the modern man.
  • The four spiritual laws don't make sense to most people.
  • Trying to boil all the mystery of the bible down into faux-scientific fact does little to convince people who have little faith in science. Or in you.
  • The sinner's prayer isn't in the Bible. No one in the Bible ever got anyone saved by using the "sinner's prayer".
  • Truth is, no one ever, in any time has ever been saved by the sinner's prayer. Think about it.
  • Repeating "That's just your truth, I'm glad you found something that works for you," will confound many evangelicals. (and it tends to anger a few).

The next big thing

  • The more a church says "if we build it, they will come", the more they will find themselves in debt with their burned out volunteers walking out the door.
  • Two steps towards irrelevance: one, hold an evangelistic event that will impress your christian friends. two, blame the 'unbelievers' if they don't get saved.
  • What works for another church will not work for yours. Especially anything with the number forty in it.
  • Most of the "Next Big Things" in christianity end up disillusioning their proponents, even in small imperceptible ways. Did alpha, 40 days and the passion really live up to all their promises? Do you have the same regard for them now as you did when you first found out about them?
  • The "Next Big Things" are often the Get Rich Quick schemes of the church; promising pastors large congregations for a low low price.
  • Be wary of Get Large Quick schemes, just like you are wary of Get Rich Quick schemes that attempt to circumvent common sense and Godly wisdom.
  • This goes for the 'emerging church' too. Don't think that making your church 'appeal' to 'postmoderns' will make your church big.

Intuition

  • Just because someone says "I feel God is leading me to do such and such" doesn't mean that it's right.
  • 3 steps to disaster: one, fill your intuition with lousy data; two, mistake your intuition for God's leading; three, silence your critics with God talk by saying things like "I know God is leading me" or "I'm just stepping out in Faith".
  • Many christians mistake psychological phenomena as spiritual phenomena.
  • It's dangerous to mistake the temporal for the eternal.

Long View

  • It's even more dangerous to treat the eternal as though it's temporal.
  • Take the long view.
  • Expand your timeline for change (of you, others; your church, community and world). It may take another 200 years.
  • Be encouraged by the kinds of changes that can be completed in the long view.
  • What kind of changes would you make at your church if you knew it was going to exist for 400 years?

Listen

  • Listen intently to why someone hates church. Really listen, actively listen, ask questions, don't react.
  • By all means don't say "well, our church is different" or "that doesn't apply to us".
  • When someone hates church, it is surprisingly rare in this culture, that they hate church simply because of Christ.
  • Be prepared to make significant changes to your point of view the more you honestly talk to those whom the church has abandoned.
  • If we believe that the church goes beyond four walls and includes all 'believers', then we need to be consistent in that view.
  • Most people who avoid the church have been hurt by the church. Not 'a church' but 'the church'.
  • It's worthwhile to see all christian atrocities as our own.

Question

  • It's okay to question.
  • Question everything, everyone, everywhere, always.
  • Nothing is off limits. Question God, life, salvation, death, sin, hell, bible, leaders and traditions.
  • Never accept "that's just the way it is" for an answer. Never accept "the Bible just generally says that".
  • Always ask "where is it written?".
  • Don't accept for a moment that just because someone has "the right credentials", that they have the right answer. Honor them, but question.
  • Questioning does not make you less of a Christian. Questioning isn't a sin. It isn't even doubt.
  • Don't stop anyone from questioning.
  • Don't give canned answers.
  • With few exceptions, there is always more than one answer.
  • Good answers take time and they account for truth on all levels.
  • A culture of questions is organic, fragile and easily broken. Don't break it.
  • Allow people to find their own answers. Don't impose your will on them.
  • Usually, asking a question is more important than receiving an answer.
  • If you believe God is sovereign, then you can rest assured that they will come to the right answer at the right time.

13 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a great list! There is so much to be learned, and so much to be learned when you are willing to listen, and think.

10:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

really good stuff!

6:02 PM  
Anonymous Rich Schmidt said...

Good stuff, grey! Keep it coming! :)

7:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a waste of time.

9:10 PM  
Blogger Marius said...

Grey, thanks for the list. Wow!

Soo... how do we fix it?

11:49 PM  
Blogger grey said...

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm glad this list has proved helpful for some people.

Marius asked "Soo... how do we fix it?"

I'm too new in my faith to know. I was a model Christian for most of my life but my faith was faith in the church or my abilities to live a good christian life.

At this point about all I can do is show my cards and say, I don't know what to make of what I believe, and hope for the best.

I think honesty is good place to start. The more honest I can be about what I really believe and what my motives are, the more I can strip away the God talk and get down to what is really the truth in my life, the more I can drop my guard and the more I can find a community of people who do the same, the more we'll grow.

10:22 AM  
Blogger Marius said...

I'm sorry we messed up church to such a degree. I guess it's not just the unchurched that miss out, it's us too.

I wish I had a few people like you around, to help me in this church plant I'm working towards. I spent so much time in church, I'm not sure I know how to get rid of all the churchianese and such baggage. I didn't just ask a rethorical question - I realise things aren't how they're supposed to be, and would like to build a church that's a bit more honest, as you put it. I covet your prayers on this.

9:02 PM  
Blogger Brian B said...

I think you have just outlined a cycle of learning and growing that many people seem to experience. Including me. It's like we meet Jesus... we discover his love for us... and in an effort to know him or to understand we ask "OK now what do I do with this thing" we turn to what we see in other people and that relationship slowly slips into religion.

It really is an age old question... Just like when Jesus healed the guy who was blind from birth in John 9... the asking of HOW instead of asking Who...

I'm not so sure its a how question... but a who one... Certainly there is some practical how things but in the end, no matter what I do or say, it's up to you as an individual to fall in love with Jesus.

Honesty is certainly a great place to begin...

10:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's the e-mail I sent to the people I respect most...it captures how I felt about reading this blog....


I read through this article today and it is a challenging perspective from a cynic on how we view “church”. Seems to me there is an incredible amount of truth in it. I think if you boil it all down, the guy is saying that Jesus it is all about Love. Love God and Jesus, love neighbours, love enemies, love the poor, love those who sin (even the “big” sinners like the gays cause we all know how much worse their sin is than ours…), love those who are different than us, love those with different religious beliefs, etc. – not a new concept, but we get SO lost in how to do things right, what will make us successful and how to get people in “our” camp that we totally forget about the real focus. Love. Not tolerate – love. Ouch.

Jesus was all about love and compassion – he didn’t spend time trying to figure out how to get people into church or build a nice building – He created church wherever he went by spending time selflessly with people just listening to them and loving them despite their faults and life situations. People came to love Him because He loved them. He didn’t control them or use guilt to manipulate them. When He had a life lesson to teach, He didn’t single out a particular type of sin, He always went straight to the heart of who He was addressing. The only people He ever seemed to get angry with were church people – the legalists. Go figure. Sigh – and now, I’ve become one of them.

I find myself getting caught up in the “how do we make a successful church” and what is the next big trend that we can catch to move us forward, and I get intolerant and impatient with those who don’t share my passion and I get immensely frustrated with anyone who comes to church who doesn’t want to get involved – you’ll hear me call them “the 80%”. I’m intolerant of Christians who don’t behave like Christians – the nerve of them swearing or drinking to get drunk. I figure they should know better and get annoyed easily with their lack of spiritual maturity…hmmm, a little impatient and self-righteous perhaps? Do I sound a bit selfish and pompous? I kind of thought so too. Where is my love for them? I admit that I have to dig pretty deep to find it. I’m going to have to work on this and beg God to show me a lot more mercy than I’m showing to others – perhaps you can all pray for me on this.

My biggest prayer for this missions trip to Mexico I leave for on Saturday is that God will soften my heart, give me compassion and a love for his people that is so obvious that it radiates.

I figure if this guy’s rant really had me questioning my own motives and heart that maybe it would be a good thing to share with other people as “spiritually mature” as I like to think I am. Don’t be offended – I’m not saying you guys do what I do at all…but maybe it will give you some perspective too. Besides that, I’ve e-mailed this to over 20 people that I have tremendous respect for and I figure you guys can hold me accountable…

/Kelly

10:30 AM  
Blogger grey said...

Wow! Thanks for that Kelly!

You are totally right when you say that it all comes back to love. A church is at it's best when it displays love. And even in the most unloving of churches, I'm surprised to see little glimmers of love among the congregants.

And I'm particularly encouraged to see churches springing up who prefer love over marketing, churches that are willing not to have the $20,000 lighting system and churches that don't replace love with a "strategy for success".

I love seeing communities of people who are humbly and honestly asking 'why?' about everything in Christianity and the leaders who are responding in kind.

11:31 AM  
Anonymous mark said...

Grey, this is some great stuff!

I'm an associate pastor who fights with these very same issues every day. It seems to me that if, as individuals, we could just keep our focus on developing our own personal relationship with Jesus and who He really is, then we would not get ourselves in so many messes. If we could really grasp how much He loves us, regardless of our battles and problems. If we could only understand that He is not one bit interested in our buildings and our empires, He's only interested in me and you.

Kelly is right it all comes back to love. Jesus Himself described it best when He reiterated the two greatest commandments - Love God with all of your being and love others as yourself. What would it be like if all Christians based their life on those two principles and nothing else?

10:03 PM  
Blogger grey said...

Mark, thanks for your comment. It's true that all of this comes back to loving the way Christ did. But how do that?

We defeat gravity by flying. Great. How do you fly? Just do what Wright Brothers did. Great. How do we do that?

Over the last couple years I've been continually astounded by how many things I thought I was doing out of love I was really doing out other motives.

Two years ago, I didn't believe anything on this list. I held opposite views on much of it and I would have argued that those views were based on love.

11:24 AM  
Blogger pblowery said...

grey

thanks for the openness and honesty. i too have wrestled with many of the items on this page. currently i am the lead pastor at a church that is trying to live authentically in this world.

i was fascinated not only with your post, but the reponses. i love the people who are thinking, wrestling, seeking -- those are the people loved.

a great book to read that will not only help you clarify some of the items you raise, but also give great perspective : "Messy Spirituality" by Mike Yaconelli

after you read it would love to have a discussion with you . . .

you can visit my blog www.allmostdalypb.blogspot.com

11:15 AM  

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